They were a little bit leery, but I managed to do that, and to realize that so many people have so much to say about it in the art world that what I should do is collect peopleâs responses and curate a show, and thatâs what I did at Dia (in the 1989 exhibition If You Lived Here...). So in a sense my aim now is to rally the forces again, and say, âCome on! This was 1988, and homelessness, as a … Paco Barragán - Let’s start with your article “Lookers, Buyers, Dealers, and Makers: Thoughts on Audience,” first published in 1979, and of which you wrote a post-scriptum in 1984. Floating free of cynicism and buoyed by compassion, Roslerâs work can be devastatingly funny or amusingly devastating, and often both. Most people, mostly men, hated it. I do not see them as disjunct. He is co-editor of When a Painting Moves…Something Must Be Rotten! In your recent interview with Benjamin Buchloh, you claimed that ‘as viewers of Godard, we wanted to parasite all forms, and foreground the apparatus. M.R. - It’s certainly true that images are moving center stage, especially in corporate propaganda, that is advertising, and pictures not only provoke or anchor desire, they communicate across linguistic barriers. I decided I needed to pay more photographic, or you might want to say documentary, attention to the spaces we inhabit, and, more importantly, to those we pass through. n is an independent curator and arts writer based in Madrid. But of course the intelligentsia, as mentioned earlier, are naturally at the center of the art audience-one might even say art community, such as it is. For half a century, Martha Rosler has taken on war, racism, oppression, gentrification, and income inequality—rarely in isolation—with uncompromising integrity and deadpan humor. That goes back to the idea that there are people who we claim are threats to us and our homes, but actually, they arenât. Martha Rosler, Red Stripe Kitchen, from the series House Beautiful: Bringing the War Home, 1967-1972. I also made a work about Trump. Long before the advent of ‘fake news’, Martha Rosler was teaching us how to think critically about documentary imagery and reporting. It is a viewpoint that demands a rethinking of questions of power in society and thus has undeniable potency. I doubt that. So I had written a couple of postcard novels about women in food, and I was writing a ridiculous extravaganza called The Art of Cooking, a fictional conversation between Julia Child and Craig Claiborne, who was the most influential food critic at the time because he was The New York Times (restaurant) reviewer. We need to remember that there is a lot of information and knowledge and wonderful stuff out there, mostly non-fiction but fiction as well â the library was mostly non-fiction â that we need to draw upon in order to remain invested in our world as everything goes online, and it appears as though everything is present, but in a way that means nothing is present and we donât know how to pay attention to serious arguments. - You’re very active in social media, especially Facebook. Semiotics of the Kitchen, a sort of bizarrely humorous six-minute black-and-white video from December 1974 (dated 1975), was one part of a large body of work in several media that I had been doing taking on questions of women, society, and art through the medium of food and the culture of food preparation and consumption. Gullibility is not uniformly spread throughout the layers of society, and people are skeptical when claims made run counter to their perceived interests. Rosler relies on the philosophy of semiotics, which implies that words are simply indicators of social interactions that human beings use to describe their world. M.R. In 2004, she returned to the form to protest the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. âAll her work still feels very immediate and urgent, especially when it comes to the omnipresent power of the media to shape public opinion and influence private reality,â Alexander continues. - I was looking for a way to express, in public fashion, my opposition to a war that seemed to be brought to us in the living room, on TV, and which posited a ‘here’ and a ‘there,’ ici et ailleurs. There are many people out there who are much better at it than I am. - Finally, you’re going to have a show at MoMA. - The best critics are mostly young and mostly publish online. Martha Rosler: Quite honestly I started as a painter, and those other things were a way of expressing something that wasn’t abstract, because I was trained as an Abstract Expressionist painter. And of course I have spoken about this publicly, reminding artists that we can do things that make a difference. And to be very simple-minded about it, I wanted to say, âWell itâs one world, and in fact, we here in our pretty little houses â or the houses we aspire to be in â are deeply implicated in this.â It was another form of identification for the viewer. Taken from PINâUP 25 Fall Winter 2018/19. Or is that something you already felt at a much younger age? 1943) is a performance artist, video artist, and photographer whose practice has focused upon issues of politics, class, and gender. I had to move to Brooklyn! READING MARTHA ROSLER READING Essay by Thom Donovan. I was always surprised at the differentiation between what girls were supposed to do and what boys were supposed to do because I was pretty much a tomboy. He recently curated “The End of History—and the Return of History Painting” (MMKA, The Netherlands, 2011) and “¡Patria o Libertad!” (COBRA Museum, Amsterdam, 2011). Martha Rosler Library, Institut National d’histoire de l’art (INHA), Paris, 2007. It seems that high culture is still the domain of the bourgeoisie and those in the upper class who have access, as well as some members of the middle class who do not have social or financial capital but do have intellectual capital-think of artists, writers and curators, for example. Taking the format of a soap opera or a TV documentary featuring victims’ relatives, Martha Rosler simulates an interview with the bereaved parents of a girl who starved herself to death. Rosler calls Domination and the Everyday, with its fragmented sounds, images, and crawling text, an artist-mother's This Is Your Life.Throughout this work, we hear—but do not see—a mother and small child at dinner and bedtime while a radio airs an interview with a gallerist about Californian art of the 1960s. P.B. So gradually I realized Iâd rather do those things, although I kept painting for quite a while. - I do observe one big change: the shift from the combination dealer-art critic toward the dealer-collector, and with it a diminishing critical discourse that affects the quality of exhibitions and the kind of art being sold, which I understand is hopelessly kitsch-easy identifiable, nostalgic, pastiche-like, nicely realist and hardly critical. Photograph of Housing is a Human Right, (1989); Times Square Spectacolor animation, New York City. I don’t have any problem with discussing the details. This cooking culture was just something I was completely saturated in â questions of women and the kitchen and also the way it was portrayed on television. How did this work come about? These works entered the art world initially through reproduction in Artforum. Cleaning the Drapes, from the series House Beautiful: Bringing the War Home, (c. 1967â72); Photomontage. Despite its increasing use by the twentieth century's most significant artists, only since the late … At the center of her artistic practice are sociopolitical concerns related to, among others, women’s place in society, art and its power structures, post-modernism and corporate media. My opinions on the pedagogical function of the art institution have remained in a state of suspension. -The concept of ‘post-feminism’ was coined some years ago and seems to be more flexible, even embracing other causes like the queer and trans movements. Itâs a place to escape from. In the 1970s, Martha Rosler, among others, sought to define and practice documentary photography in ways that would invite the viewer to reflect on the politics of representation at work in documentary art. Theyâd say, âThis is not a serious artist.â I have that in writing! (Laughs.) By and large they can’t make a living from the writing, and often they don’t plan to. And once you returned to New York, thatâs when the exploration evolved into making actual work? I think it’s a mistake to see post-feminism as a useful term that allows for the inclusion of queer and transgender identities; there is certainly a vibrant expanded, gender-related congeries of movements, but feminism persists. How do you decide which medium to work in? Martha Rosler. I really donât know how to describe it. We exchanged ideas with Rosler about these topics, social media and her upcoming ‘event’ at MoMA. âBy boiling her subject matter down into small slices of life â indeed she often consciously mimics the look and feel of âhigh artâ â she is able to situate her work in a familiar context,â says Darsie Alexander, chief curator at New Yorkâs Jewish Museum, where Irrespective, a survey show of Roslerâs work from 1965 to the present, is taking place this fall. And yet it continues to have a powerful hold on us today. Annette Beiler, interview on activist art for “The Music Box,” ORTF (Austria Radio). Do you remember a particular moment when you first took notice of the misrepresentation of women in the media? They’re still run by upper management, in conjunction with trustees and donors, and are in some degree of thrall to municipalities and elected representatives. One of your most iconic series is House Beautiful: Bringing the War Home (c. 1967â72), where you brought together familiar, domestic, relatable spaces with grueling images of the Vietnam War. So the other things were just things that artists did as a way of saying, “I actually do have something to say that can be translated into images as opposed to abstractions.” A Gourmet Experience is a complex installation and performance I did about those matters in 1973 as my M.F.A. You first made that work almost 50 years ago, but it seems as if today when we are engaged in similar conflicts â whether itâs Syria, the refugee crisis, or even the Mexican-American border â there is still such a remove. She recorded all … In this interview with Craig Owens the artist discusses her early family influences and her time at the University of California. . Back then, even though we had our mental boxes for what war looked like, we didnât ever put them together with our own habitations and territory. This is not democracy. Barcelona, November 2010. read the interview>> *Martha Rosler. Martha Rosler (born 1943) is an American artist.She works in photography and photo text, video, installation, sculpture, and performance, as well as writing about art and culture.Rosler's work is centered on everyday life and the public sphere, often with an eye to women's experience. I was especially interested in the idea of a late-night local-TV look, where somebody just rents some time and then they sell you their Veg-O-Matic or something or other. Her works range from photo-text to video, performance and installation. Martha Rosler knows that a well-formulated suggestion is far more likely to change the world â or at least someoneâs mind â than any command or decree. Itâs based on a traveling library I had for a while, which was really a reading room with about 7,500 books. What I am uncertain about is not all these overlapping structures but the effects of the imperative toward public education, and public service, which will very likely lean toward stifling critical art. “Feminism is a viewpoint that demands a rethinking of questions of power in society and thus has undeniable potency.” Martha Rosler is a prolific American artist and writer. 72-77. I know you don’t like to give away details beforehand, but can you tell us a little bit about it? “Video Mode” interviewed by Stephan Pascher, in: Merge (Stockholm and New York) No. Itâs affected us all. At the center of her artistic practice are sociopolitical concerns related to, among others, women’s place in society, art and its power structures, post-modernism and corporate media. Art and Photography is the first book of its kind to survey the major presence of photography at the centre of artistic practice from the 1960s onwards. I thought of these works as ‘not art’ and refused invitations to show them in art institutions, but as Allan Kaprow pointed out a bit later, non-art always becomes art-art eventually and is inducted into the temple. Paco Barragán is an independent curator and arts writer based in Madrid. Domination and the Everyday - Rosler, Martha Ir al contenido principal About MACBA ... On these three visual registers (TV interview, mother/child dialogue and a theoretical text on screen), Rosler superimposes family photographs, trivial adverts from magazines and images of the Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. The work at MoMA is called Meta-Monumental Garage Sale. Why is that? - It’s not really a show but ‘an event,’ a participatory installation and performance. I am holding a gigantic garage sale in the atrium of the museum-a garage sale is a great, ritualized American institution, a way for private people and families in small towns and suburbs to recoup some financial value from their discarded commodities and for their neighbors to find something of value at a low price. I think the U.S. is worse in this regard than Europe, where curators often continue to have a strong idea about the need for critical engagement through art. I still enjoy seeing how people react to it the first time they watch it. But people in the mass audience, people of less elite social status, are now, as I suggested earlier, more familiar with art and the art world. M.R. - In this sense, one of your signature works-if I may say so-is House Beautiful: Bringing the War Home. Martha Rosler, Window display for Monumental Garage Sale, New Museum, New York, 2000. What about your choice of aesthetic? Centre de la Imatge during the exhibition “If You Lived Here Still …”, an archive project by Martha Rosler. And when I say âVictorian,â what I mean is the exclusivity of it was blessed as a viable idea in the Victorian age, if then, and by the time I was a teenager it was already being ridiculed. Martha Rosler (American, b.1943) is a photographer and video, installation, and performance artist, as well as a writer and educator. . But what, after all, does it mean to characterize us as an ‘image society?’ Are there images anywhere without texts available for our understanding? But history has not, in fact, ended, nor has the boom-and-bust cycle of capitalism, and thus we see a resurgence of anti-capitalist perspectives, and thus of those “grands récits.”. It was completely acceptable and considered cute. People who use them are not trying to communicate with those in power but among themselves. 6, Fall 1999, pp. Courtesy of the artist and Mitchell-Innes & Nash, New York. Four decades separate Martha Rosler’s The Bowery in two inadequate descriptive systems (1974-1975) from Jeff Wall’s Approach (2014), two representations of life on the streets. Would you say that living in the age of Trump has affected you in your artistic practice? She produced it in 1975 by using an alphabet worth of kitchen tools to participate in a feminist critique of the traditional role of gender. We just filmed it at a friendâs loft. Look for it in the latter half of November of this year. Turning to the home front, a lot of your work is concerned with investigating our assumptions about home and the house and whatâs between those two in terms of expectations. - Feminism is a central angle in all my work; it does not replace or supplant other considerations. ... while a radio interview with an art dealer plays in the background. John Slyce, “Martha Rosler” interview, in: Dazed & Confused, No. Interview with Martha Rosler (part one) Zofia Maria Cielątkowska 19.03.2014. aktualizacja 19.03.2014 07:14 It is not your first visit in Poland? I was very interested in the idea of identification and non-identification with characters in a narrative and had tried several ways to provoke the viewer’s sense of the uncanny, in order to enliven that issue. Born in Brooklyn, Rosler received her BA from Brooklyn College in 1965, and went on to obtain an MFA in 1974 from … And what made you change your mind? Recurrent concerns are the media and war, as well as architecture and the built environment, … Courtesy of the artist and Mitchell-Innes & Nash, New York. So the other things were just things that artists did as a way of saying, âI actually do have something to say that can be translated into images as opposed to abstractions.â I remember being heartened by the realization that, as far as I could tell, abstract painters also took photographs, and made drawings and cartoons, and even photomontages. So, in effect, using clothing as a substitute for humanity, for our world, there was one installation I did where I put the name, date of birth, and prisoner number of some female political prisoners imprisoned by the South Vietnamese government on American clothes (Some Women Prisoners of the Thieu Regime in the Infamous Poulo Condore Prison, South Vietnam (1972)). But I had to call a halt to it at a certain point, because the books got very tired and wanted to go back home. I had been using the montage form to provide a collision within a frame of things we think about when we unconsciously position women as, essentially, home appliances and passive objects of desire, and it occurred to me that I should make anti-war flyers in the form of montaged tableaux drawn from mass picture magazines. Those spaces that define, in some sense, the public, but also transportation, which is essential to communication and to life in general. Martha Rosler is a prolific American artist and writer. Do you consider Off the Shelf another kind of floating library? She works in photography and photo text, video, installation, sculpture, and performance, as well as writing about art and culture. It is evident that Rosler is an underground artist who has revolutionized combination and application of different media in filmmaking. - I hardly think social class has diminished in respect to the intellectual ownership of art. So Semiotics of the Kitchen is not a one-off on the subject of women and food. Especially kids! Or at least it was! In the end, I was not that happy that it was interpreted partly as a portrait of me, because it was intended primarily as a vital resource for artists. Get out there and do all the things we can do â performances and theater and protests and postering and constantly being visible in the world.â The only thing I donât want to do anymore is be a graphic artist and design the posters. The idea that people could be sleeping on the streets and that they were considered not people for that reason completely horrified me. And Iâm in the process of editing a video about Mike Pence. Do you think that in our modern media age something has changed in the way we experience and understand these events? M.R. M.R. We are. How do you see this right now? (Laughs.). Martha Rosler (1943- ) is a video, photo-text, installation, and performance artist in New York, N.Y. Kathy Goncharov is Director of the Brodsky Center at Rutgers University, N.J. From the description of Oral history interview with Martha Rosler, 2009 May 22 [sound recording]. P.B. “Still Here: An Interview With Martha Rosler and Anton Vidokle”, Art in America by Media Farzin In 1989, Martha Rosler organized “If You Lived Here…,” a major multi-part project on homelessness and housing at the Dia Art Foundation. Postmodernism in art was also a recognition that meaning was slippery and that ’second nature,’ which we may handily think of as the culture that Debord was writing about, was more essential to those relations of production than nature, the natural world. I wound up making 20 of them over a period of years, and they acquired that series title, House Beautiful: Bringing the War Home. I was really shocked at the way there was an easy slide from the image of the woman to the image of the womanâs surroundings. - A false choice if I ever saw one. Martha Rosler has been making art from a feminist perspective since before the Vietnam War, when she xeroxed her photomontages and passed them out at protests as part of the anti-war effort. Her works range from photo-text to video, performance and installation. So, because we donât have servants any more in the middle classes, women were supposed to be able to make something very special and also, of course, entertain and sit down and eat it with the guests. Author: Rosler, Martha Topic: Art--History and Feminism and art--United States--History--20th century Subject: Rosler, Martha Language: English Physical Description: 1 MiniDV tape and 1 document Publication Info: New York (N.Y.) Genre: video recordings and transcripts Collection: In the opening pages of the curator James Meyer’s new book, The Art of Return: The Sixties and Contemporary Culture, we find ourselves on Martha… Another, earlier video which centers on food production and consumption was A Budding Gourmet, and a postcard series I produced a couple of years earlier can be found collected as Service: A Trilogy on Colonization, three first-person narratives of women in different social locations, also with respect to the preparation and consumption of food. The video is ‘a lexicon of rage and frustration’ produced through a noisy and slightly unruly alphabetic demonstration of some hand tools in the traditional kitchen. Martha Rosler was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1943. Martha Rosler is a prolific American artist and writer. "There was a tremendous amount of alternative culture that completely took place... without any relation to the high art world of New York,” she remembers. I thought shelter was the most boring thing you could ever imagine. - A work of mine from the late 1980s, a three-show cycle called If You Lived Here…, is considered an early spur to New Institutionalism, but I have never warmed to the concept. I used to think, âIâve done work about food, Iâve done work about clothing, but I will never do anything about housing!â. So one day I was walking down the street with my boyfriend, and letâs see, I was on Broadway approaching Astor Place. thesis exhibition, and back then I wrote a book, as yet unpublished, about food. So there has been a lot of change and a lot of conversation on various, maybe not mainstream sites, but on social media about the experience of people in those other realms. How has feminism influenced you, and can you talk about a seminal work such as Semiotics of the Kitchen? programs and museum audiences we encounter an enormous contradiction: While the majority involved in those are women, in museum shows and jobs especially they are totally underrepresented. There is no such thing as citizen journalism for now. MARTHA ROSLER: Dia had invited me to do a solo project, and I chose homelessness as the subject. Why do the home, housing, and especially the domestic interior appeal to you as a fertile ground for exploration? M.R. The rest of the critical corps seems tired. 1978, 32:09 min, color, sound. It has become unfashionable to call oneself a postmodernist in art at present, and in literature it seems to also have been a passing phase, filling in for that moment in which, as Lyotard termed it, the grands récits, or grand narratives, of social telos were proving to be bankrupt. Martha Rosler Interview at Paris Photo November 14, 2014. Also, photographic technologies are now ubiquitous, thanks especially to cell phones, many of which have quite respectable cameras built in. Everybody fears that their own homes and their own families will be under threat. Courtesy of the artist and Mitchell-Innes & Nash, New York. In Woman with Vacuum (Vacuuming Pop Art) Martha Rosler addresses the marginalisation of women in pop art. (2011) and the author of The Art Fair Age (2008), both published by CHARTA. The library was intended as something that would say to younger artists, âPlease remember to engage with millennia of knowledge,â and also, âLook how beautiful books are!â. 32-35. Rosler's work is centered on everyday life and the public sphere, often with an … - I don’t find post-feminism to be a particularly useful concept in that it suggests the surmounting of the problems you have just outlined in your previous question. Criticality seems superfluous when sales are at issue. I had been doing a lot of thinking about and even writing about cooking, and the way that cooking transferred onto women the role of both producer and consumer of what formerly was haute cuisine. Martha Rosler speaks at Paris Photo 2014 with writer and educator Stephanie Schwartz, discussing everything from her early work on the subject of the Bowery, the ethical responsibilities of photographers, the paucity of critics in the US, and the overall critical reception of her work. Martha Rosler: This is the fourth time, all within the last two and a half years. Photography didnât really start to play an important role in your work until the 1980s. The ‘audience’ you refer to has been a much talked about topic since the 1960s. 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